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ound they make that mr. huckabee wants us to hear but the signal his dog whistle is hearing and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in," -- >> it sold out fast, 3 million copies. >> publication day for the first edition of "charlie hebdo" since the attack. as al qaeda officially claims credit and french prosecutors arrest a comedian for a facebook post. then, republicans vote for mass deportations on the hill. >> enough is enough. >> rand paul goes into attack mode questioning the sanity of another romney campaign as he picks up a key endorsement of his own. >> rand paul is the best. >> and as a virginia lawmaker wins his special election while serving his jail sentence, we
take a look at the greatest crooked politicians of all time. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula has officially claimed credit are to the massacre at the offices of "charlie hebdo" carried out by two french brothers, cherif and said kouachi. an 11-minute video shows that it was ordered over its insult over the prophet muhammad and saying that his group trained and financed the operation. anwar al awlaki was killed in a drone strike in 2011 and having coordinated the operation. citing a source within the group broke the story that aqap was claiming they had directed the attacks as discussed on this show. but today marks the first time aqap has officially and
definitively made that claim. u.s. state department today confirmed the authenticity of the aqap video though the investigation into the link between the kouachi brothers and the jihadi is continuing. aqap has not presented any kind of definitive evidence that it was responsible for the attack leading some to wonder about the level of coordination, particularly since anwar al awlaki, who allegedly helped coordinate the attack, was killed more than three years ago. also today, french newspaper le parisien, talks about another attack on a kosher super park met last week. according to the report, which has not been confirmed by msnbc, this fourth suspect, believed to have driven coulibaly to the supermarket may have already fled to syria. there are stills msnbc obtained from kosher inside the supermarket where coulibaly killed the hostages and acclaimed association with the kouachi shooters.
notably did not claim credit for that supermarket attack. separately, isis, which has often been at odds with al qaeda, sometimes violently, released a video of its own today, praising the paris attacks and encouraging followers to commit additional killings. meanwhile, here in the u.s., an ohio man was arrested for planning to attack the u.s. capitol. the man is identified as christopher cornell. he said he wanted to go forward with violent jihad citing anwar al awlaki. he was dealing with an undercover agent the entire time and was never in a position to carry out his plan. joining me now is jeremy. great to have you back. >> thank you. >> how much of this is the m.o. for how aqap claims credit for an attack, this kind of a video, is this what we've seen before? >> this is textbook aqap. what they would normally do is
issue a statement through the media, which we've seen now this this video. either through a form of an audio recording, more recently through produced videos and full text translation in english and arabic and sometimes in other languages. this shows a transformation of the methodology, is that they first did this, sort of gave a hint of it on twitter. yes, we got the statement before any other news outlet published it. but if you follow what -- the sort of evolution of this, aqap is becoming much more social media savvy and are using twitter and other accounts a lot. they have their own verification system. it's not the blue checkmark. it's that they will say i'm their official old school channels, follow these twitter accounts. >> that's the aqap version of -- >> they have something like that. >> then the question comes, well, do we believe them?
you believe in past instances they have claimed credit and only released evidence many months later? >> right. i'm pressing them, look, it's one thing to claim credit and you're telling me both of the brothers were in yemen but in the past you've released photos and a marker video. you've shown that this guy was with us in yemen and we filmed the murder video. that hasn't happened yet. my sense is if we don't see that kind of proof -- and we may still. but let's say aqap played a role in preparing at least one but probably both of the kouachi brothers to do an attack in the future and they may have an encrypted conversation over an extended period of time. >> then the question becomes, they do not claim credit for attack on the kosher marker. the question i think from sort of 30,000 feet is, how big of a plot are we dealing with and were those coordinated or not?
that seems like the big question for investigators and everyone wondering about the extent of all of this. >> this gets complicated for the following reason. we know that the kouachi brothers knew coulibaly going back to at least 2010. there's indications that it went back beyond that. that they had been involved in other cases to try to free prisoners let's say we don't see that kind of proof. what's likely here, that qap played some sort of a role in preparing at least one, but probably both of the kouachi brothers to do some sort of attack in the future. and they may or may not have continued an encrypted conversation with them over an extended period of time.
there are reports out of belgium today that he acquired 5,000 euro worth of weapons, including weapons used in another attack, that would be the most concrete link that we have in terms of the guys working together. it's also possible that coulibaly would go do his own thing then, and shot up the kosher market. there's internal politics here. if aqap said this was part of it, and coulibaly pledged his allegiance to al ba gady of isis, that would have been saying, we worked with isis on this. but part of this is political. and you don't see this point being made. but that's a big part of the statement today that they said it is a coincidence that we praise it. that would have sent the message, not being seen in concert with isis, because they're enemies right now. >> the question on the arabian peninsula. they had their hands full -- >> i would sue deranged white people shooting up schools as the biggest domestic threat in that case.
>> that is a fair point. so the question about al qaeda and the arabian peninsula in terms of where their focus is, whether it's on yemen, the saudis, the west and the u.s., as a sort of factual matter of where their attacks have been. >> they've been highly unsuccessful in carrying out attacks. it's like 90% of what they talk about. let's attack america, britain, france. in their arabic language communications, they're much more focused internally on yemen. many, many victims are yemenese or other arabs. and saudi arabia. rather than the united states. it's the power of nightmares. anwar an awlaki is not the main goal driving. >> the nightmares give them bragging rights. >> that's why you want to take credit for this type of a thing, even if you had a minor role in it. >> jeremy, thanks a lot. >> thank you. charlie hebdo sold out almost immediately. the print run of the new issue dubbed the survivors issue, already expanded from 60,000 to 3 million. and today, the plan run was expanded even further with another 2 million copies to be
printed. the biggest selling newspaper in the history of french publishing. a new cartoon shows a figure of death in the magazine and proclaiming, i'm subscribing. we've decided not to show the cover of the issue which pictures muhammad em blazened with je suis charlie. it includes the words all is forgiven. while it supports free speech and right of charlie hebdo to publish materials that may offend, we make decisions every day about what information to share with the public, and pursuant to our policies and guidelines to take care not to offend our audience. i do not agree with that decision, i should note for the record.
three days after more than 3 million people marched in solidarity with charlie hebdo, and the principle of free speech, police in france detained a comedian and provocateur over a facebook comment in which he claimed to have allegiance. he's popularized in arm gesture that resembles a nazi salute. they arrested him after a wave of celebrations of the privacy of free speef speech. there's no first amendment, all kinds of speech are criminalized by the state. he was released today but will be put on trial next month for justifying terrorism. he could face up to seven years in jail. at least 54 such cases have been open in france just since the terrorist attacks, including 37 cases involving condoning terrorism.
12 for threatening to carry out terrorist attacks. joining me is someone who has pushed the limits of what is considered acceptable for publication here in the u.s. cartoonist for the "los angeles times." glad to have you here. first your response to the first issue of charlie hebdo. muhammad on the cover, the decision by u.s. outlets to publish or not publish. >> the solidarity argument that everybody should print these things going around on social media is a little purele. >> i agree with you there. continue. >> the right to free speech and free expression, we also have the right to not express ourselves in a way we don't feel like we have to have words or pictures stuffed down our throat. that said, journalism is about telling the truth. and if cartoonists are killed over a cartoon, readers need to see, or viewers need to see that cartoon to understand what provoked this. >> a distinction between publishing is an act of solidarity, and publishing is a newsworthy thing to understand
the story. >> yeah. >> where is where i come down the ladder question. in terms of this story, you couldn't script it better. there's all these people, this growing backlash among french commentators, and others, saying we're talking about free speech, but obviously the murder of these people is in a sort of singular category. but we're not talking about a country in which there's something like free speech, like in the u.s. where free speech is restricted in other ways as well. >> obviously europe has its own unique history and france has its own history in world war ii that influences the anti-hate speech rhetoric. it's a little different. >> specifically the holocaust is a crime in france. >> right. you can see why they come down that way. in the united states we have limited about libel. they don't have a first amendment in france. they don't have as much free speech as we do. in england, for example, there are the anti-libel laws are ferocious and brutal. if you're charged with libel, you're guilty until proven innocent.
it's a different tradition there, and the limits are different in different countries. to americanize, it's certainly hypocritical. >> there's this question about sort of the role of the cartoon particularly, and also the way someone called it a sack ri liesing charlie hebdo, the extremely irreverent journal. what is your -- you're someone who has faced backlash, attacked for things that people felt stepped over the line. how do you compare your situation to theirs, and how do you understand this? >> first and foremost, i'm sitting here talking to you. i mean, 12 people, 17 people in total are dead. so obviously nothing that i've gone through compares with that, and can't. but that said, every political cartoonist in the united states receives death threats. it's kind of a miracle it hasn't happened before now. i've had police protection. it's not uncommon. many of my peers can say the same thing. the limits of free speech in the u.s. are in some ways not uncomparable to that. but that said, charlie hebdo, i think the cartoonists, and i
knew some of the people who died, would laugh at the idea that they have -- that they've had this amazing influence on the culture. and that they prompted this massive conversation on free speech. they would approve, think it was hilarious, because they were so marginalized, even within the french media before this happened. they only had 30,000 in circulation, now they have 5 million circulation overnight. it's funny. >> it is a remarkable thing to mention. as someone who has worked in very small lefty publications on the second floor of buildings, it is something to sort of shake your head at in amazement that this publication is now this rallying cry for the world. everything from the saudi ambassador, right, to republican members of congress.
>> we don't choose our martyrs. they're martyrs to free speech. if the cartoons hadn't been outrageous and profane, i don't think anyone had been shot over them. they happen over the most outrageous speech. that's always the way it's going to be. we're going to find ourselves having this debate about, do we like these cartoons. but the thing is, if we go too far down that road, we're forgetting the fact that the cartoonists and editors were murdered over these cartoons. they're just ink on paper, colorizing photoshop, that's all they are. >> ted, thank you very much. >> appreciate it. republicans are worried people are going to think they are hostile to immigrants. they did not do themselves any favors today.
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by any measure to all other people. they cannot reason as well. they cannot communicate as well. they cannot control their impulses as well. they are a threat to all who cross their paths. agema has since removed that post and says it does not represent his opinion. because david lives in america, he can post a disgusting piece of garbage like that, and he will not face any legal consequences which is an awesome thing about america. but david is also a member of the republican national committee. so he might face some social consequences, or political consequences. "time" magazine is reporting an effort under way among rnc members to expel him for his views. reince priebus is asking for him to resign for a string of posts almost a year ago. so far, dave has not been willing to leave the party on his own. all eyes are now on san diego where rnc's winter meeting is going on this week.
house republicans now officially on the record calling for mass deportation. by a vote of 236-191, republicans passed a department of homeland security funding bill that included an amendment to block the president's executive actions on immigration that would shield around 4 million people from being deported. the funding bill would also end deferred action for the so-called dreamers, a program that has stopped the deportation of some 600,000 undocumented immigrants who were brought to the u.s. as children. there was enough concern for moderates and republican caucus
particularly about the optics of the dreamer's deportation vote, that john boehner took to the house floor to make his case. >> we do not take this action lightly. but simply, there is no alternative. there's not a dispute between the parties, or even between the branches of our government. this executive overreach is an affront to the rule of law, and to the constitution itself. >> republicans didn't take this vote with lots of fanfare today. it's the type of thing they do chief i think to appease the base and don't tend to advertise. but they've got a big problem, because the people they are an tan nizing, those people are watching. adrian has a great piece of buzz feed about precisely this phenomenon. they took this vote today. it was important to the base, important to the caucus, i think. they don't like the president's executive action. they also they have this problem with latino voters that are coming into a presidential cycle, and what is the problem for republicans?
>> well, number one, the problem is that univision has 72% of an audience that is unduplicated. they don't watch english language newscast. if the rnc, if the republicans want to reach hispanics, they want to do so on univision. jorge, their powerful anchor, he makes that a big issue, whether he's talking to obama or the republicans, he always brings up immigration. what he's probably doing tonight is talking about what they passed today. to roll back obama's executive actions. the problem with univision is for republicans, is that they basically are trying to reach these voters, but in a way of talking about immigration, they don't want to talk about immigration. >> exactly. so they can't pull off, you know, there's this phrase dog whistle politics, where you send a signal that only a certain group of people can hear, they cannot call off dog whistle
politics because the sound is heard by latino media, univision, telemundo, and others, that broadcast it, and they can't sweep it under the rug. >> they can't sweep it under the rug. i spoke to jorge ramos and some of the executives over at univision, and they said they have a different relationship with their audience than english language folks do, with their media. latinos are not represented in congress. there are only three latino senators. what they're basically saying is we're going to talk about immigration, talk about this issue. what upsets republicans is when they get ad pitches, when univision wants ad dollars in competitive races, they say immigration is not the number one issue. it's jobs and economy and education, health care, before immigration. but when they talk to ramos, or talk on local affiliates, all they hear about is immigration questions. >> so now this is set up -- this has set up a dramatic confrontation at the white house.
and also over a piece of funding for the department of homeland security which has its own kind of political ramifications, if there is an impasse over this. how do you think this plays out next? >> you know, what was interesting to me, ramos made sure that he reiterated, he said, you know, you would think with republicans being very upset with there being clinton ties with univision, and being a donor for her, that maybe univision would back down a little bit. ramos said if they're not on the right side with immigration, if they decide to not engage and roll back immigration action that obama has passed, then he's going to keep talking about it. he's going to keep asking about it. if they lose the latino vote, they're going to lose the white house again. >> adrian, thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. why are some of the prominent evangelical countries in this countries rushing to defend a fire chief in atlanta. i'll tell you, next. of the food off them. ew.
something he has published for his men's bible study. he's being persecuted for what i believe are his religious views. this should not be tolerated. and we need to come together and support men like this. >> franklin graham, ralph reid and a host of other evangelical activists are rushing to the defense of calvin cochran, recently fired chief of the atlanta fire department. charging his dismissal is a violation of freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
family research council even compared it to the recent events in paris, the silencing of #charlie hebdo and fire chief calvin cochran. several hundred people bearing signs reading standing for our faith. descended on the state capital in a rally to support cochran. and tout a proposed religious liberty law called preventing government overreach. calvin cochran was suspended back in november after a self-published book he wrote and distributed to firefighters called, who told you you were naked, a line from genesis. whatever is the opposite of purity, including sodomy, homosexuality, less pi annism, bestiality. he said he did not give the book to anyone who did not want it. the book was distributed in the workplace to at least nine individuals.
three of these officers stated the book was given to them without a request on their part. ralph reid and franklin graham said he's being discriminated against. he said his decision to dismiss cochran was a violation of protocol. >> the bottom line is, he was fired because he displayed bad judgment. he never got permission. all of the sound, all of the noise, he never got permission from me to public the book. i'll go a little further. i can't publish a book without permission. from the ethics board. and i'm the ceo of the city of atlanta. >> cochrane said he did get permission to write the book, but the internal book states in part, ethics officer hixon did not approve publication of the book and had no authority to grant such approval.
she told him he would need to get the mayor's permission as well as a formal opinion on the board of ethics. the controversy is not a secret in the land of georgia politics that mayor reid has his eye on statewide office. since taking office in 2010, reid has done a pretty good job of charting a pretty noncontroversial path. often reaching across the aisle to work with the governor nathan deal. now with outrage beating at his door, reid to his credit is not backing down. >> i got elected to this job. i certainly take my share of criticism and heat. but i've got a wife and a daughter at home. crazy people keep calling my house, hanging up the phone, calling my the anti-christ, saying i'm some form of muslim. while i respect muslims and other faiths, i'm not. and these people are just taking it a bit too far. let me tell you something. if calvin cochran wants to stand
shoulder to shoulder with ralph reid, got bless him. >> when you get a high-level position, you don't give up your beliefs, but you do give up the freedom to say whatever you want in whatever venue. the fire chief certainly couldn't publish his books about which neighborhoods in atlanta he liked best. that may be the reason mayor reed said he hired cochran to put out fires, not to be the center of them. those of you unfamiliar with the term throwing shade, it helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach,
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describes something like this. >> she says, i'm quick to check those of you unfamiliar with the term throwing shade, it describes something like this. >> she says, i'm quick to check a -- if she is out of line. are you the -- she's singing about? >> don't know. don't know what she's saying. i didn't know she's saying it. i thought she laughed. so whatever. >> mariah carey feuding with nikki menage. when it comes to politics, there's only one person who can dish it out like mariah, like
rand paul. throwing shade left and right at his rivals. he told a group of local lawmakers what he thinks about mitt romney's apparent decision to run again. it's sort of what einstein said, the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect the same result. he described romney as yesterday's news. >> i like him personally. i think he's a good person. i think he's a great businessman. but, you know, that's yesterday's news. he's tried twice. i don't really think that there is a third time out there. >> rand has had similarly unsparing words among the other gop candidates. calling jeb bush a big government republican, and marco as childish and chris christie's threat to the second amendment. three months ago rand paul was dubbed the most interesting man in politics.
now he finds himself fighting for coverage, in an ever-more crowded gop field. fresh off the state of the state address with distinctly national overtones, chris christie visited north carolina today to attend the inauguration for governor nicki haley. gop donor foster freeze is boosting rick santorum to another presidential bid. he may be more famous for more comments on using aspirin for contraception. tomorrow jeb bush heads out to southern california for a number of fund-raising stops while mitt romney, scott walker and brent carson will all be there on friday to address an rnc meeting in san diego. meanwhile, team romney is working its own version of john lennon's "imagine. joining me senior congressional correspondent for politico.
joining me senior congressional correspondent for politico. it seems to be that rand paul's take on this is more unsparingly aggressive, or more shade-throwing than his colleagues. >> yeah. always you pointed out with the "time" magazine cover, last year rand was viewed as sort of a front-runner. chris christie was going through bridgegate. we sort of didn't think jeb bush was going to run. or romney. definitely didn't look like as a potential candidate. but those folks now looking like they are going to run, and perhaps christie survives this bridgegate controversy, that rand wants to assume that rabl houser, that firebrand that helped him win the republican nomination on the back of tea party supporters back in 2010 in his senate race against an establishment-backed candidate. he clearly wants to follow that similar tight model and present himself as kind of that true, small government conservative,
as he said to me calling jeb bush a big government republican. someone who wants to exert more washington control. watch for him to do more of that. he's trying to present a contrast and show himself as sort of the fresh face for the republican party. whether that works, though, as you know, there's a long way to go. it's an open question. >> it seems to me if you're rand paul, you actually want the market space for, quote, establishment republican to get as crowded as possible, right? you probably want christie, jeb bush and mitt romney all running, all beating the crap out of each other to assume that mantle, all fighting for the same donors. so that you have a bigger target. and also so that that support is divided. right now there's a very, very intense competition to be the, quote, conservative insurgent. >> yes. then you could run in the alternative to the establishment.
and clearly, that was the problem for rand last year, when there wasn't really that person who had running the establishment type candidate. you saw all of those attacks against rand paul's foreign policy views, those folks like everyone from rick perry, criticizing him as an isolationist. that really -- that label stuck with rand. he doesn't have to worry as much about the knives coming out against him. and he can in turn kick those knives out and stick it in some of his candidates. clearly, that's what he's trying to do against jeb. and romney. not afraid to throw those bombs as he's clearly shown. >> he also was doing this, i remember, during the run-up to the midterms attacking the clintons, as bill clinton was going to come down and campaign. there seems to be a bravado
showing that you can take a punch. there's all this messaging happening right now in the primary, the donors trying to lock them up, keep them away from other people. what you're sending messages to a fairly small group of people with disproportionate power of what kind of candidate you can be. if republican donors are anything like democratic donors, they really like people that can fight. that gets them very excited. >> yeah. they want to show someone who can sustain the heat during the campaign trail. including that's what rand is trying to do. he's been -- every time he's been attacked, whether it's the rick perry thing, or rubio, questioning him on foreign policy, rand paul has been so aggressive in getting back and trying to get back on the offensive, trying to show that if you want to attack me, i'm going to attack you even more aggressively. what he said to me about marco rubio, very clearly, rubio questioned him, of course, on the sunday show saying that rand
is just the biggest cheerleader of obama's foreign policy, if he wants to be that way, great. i asked rand about that, and he said, rubio wants to be the biggest cheerleader of obama's immigration policy, that's his choice. so paul clearly recognizes he has to be able to show that he can take a punch, and he can punch back, and he can change that narrative. that's clearly what donors want to see, and what voters want to see as well. >> my favorite beef in this is chris christie and rand paul who got into it, i think it was last year in a highly entertaining fashion. i assume we'll see more of that. >> that's right. you know how sometimes at big family dinners, it leads to politics, and someone says about politicians, they're all crooks. some of them actually are. and this got us thinking, because there was a crook who was a politician in the news. and so we're presenting nominees for the greatest crook in politics of all-time. don't miss that.
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a delegate to the virginia legislature, joseph d. morrissey, former democrat has been campaigning by day for election to regain his seat out there, shaking hands with people, and returning to his jail cell by night. the odd arrangement, the product of a plea deal did not admit guilt, but conceded there was sufficient evidence to convict him of a misdemeanor charge of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. fighting joe morrissey was sentenced to a year with six months of that suspended. had eresigned from office. however, he was allowed to serve his six-month jail term under a work release program, leaving the jail during the day, and running for a special election. the minor in question was 17 years old when he and she met in
2013, at the foot and ankle center. not making that up. young woman was interested in law and morrissey later gave her a job at his law firm. both morrissey and the young woman deny having sexual intercourse, but she's now said to be pregnant. but in a plea agreement, they found a series of text messages that they indeed did have sexual intercourse while she was still 17, a minor. the state was prepared to use this which read, the most important thing i need to tell you, i just blanked my boss tonight on the desk and on the floor. you would think that running for office from a jail cell would present logistical obstacles to an election.
but yesterday, in the special election, here were the results. >> let's take a look at the spread, carla, as joe morrissey sits in the regional jail east behind me. he won with about 42% of the votes tonight. but legislators are now coming out saying they intend to take the seat away from him. >> during this campaign, i promise like i had for the last 7 1/2 years i would run a positive campaign. nine of the most hurtful, mean-spirited pieces i've ever seen, sent over 100 robocalls that were mean, i said, i'm not going that way. >> both republican and democratic leaders in the virginia house have expressed their displeasure with his win. it would take a two-thirds vote to expel morrissey. that hasn't happened in over a century. in addition to his current jail sentence, morrissey has faced disbarment, his law license has been revoked and he's been in
politician is the greatest comeback story is tarksa, assistant professor, a brian murphy, and msnbc contributor. i had a lot of fun reading about the various -- there's about five, in recent memory, seven or eight that are in the running. the most recent michael grimm, who i don't think any of you are nominating michael grimm. the things you've got to consider as you judge this reader, viewer, as you judge this, are basically how well they did, and how much they had against them. you know what i mean? that's what i think you've got to think about. you start first, who's your nominee? >> hands down, i'm not just saying this because i grew up 40 miles from his city, former mayor of providence, rhode island, buddy -- >> i lived in providence. >> that's the thing, he was a mayor a lot. but in between that time, well, first he was mayor from 1974 to 1984. he had to leave the mayorship, because buddy became convinced
that a former family friend of his, who was a family friend at the time, was having an affair with his ex-wife, and he called >> ex-wife. >> was convinced that he was having an affair with his wife, invited him over to his house, where his bodyguard/policeman let him in, frisked the guy, and then proceeded in front of buddy's own attorney to beat the guy, to burn him with a cigarette over the course of three hours, and harass this guy. finally, the former attorney general of the state had to be called over to the house to tell buddy to stop doing that. and so he pleaded no contest. he was subsequently found -- basically he was a fellon at that point. >> he went to jail, right? >> he didn't do any time. >> i forget. >> there was a law that he had
actually pushed through that said if you commit any type of crime like that, you can't hold office, and you can't run again for three years. so three years after his probation ends, he runs again. he wins. he's mayor over what many people consider the renaissance period of providence, rhode island. and then you'll never guess how it ends. >> how does it end, sam? >> i've got to say, kudos to santi, he didn't assault anyone else, he got indicted basically on racketeering. and served five years. >> give me the last part. >> three years he tries to run again. >> that is a pretty good one. >> the thing he did which was sort of quasi kidnap and torture -- it was a kidnap and torture. but three years, and he wasn't actually in jail. >> okay.
next nominee, brian murphy? >> edwards. it would be a crime if louisiana didn't have a part in this conversation. a great traditionist. edwin edwards, i like, because he has longevity. he spent six longest serving governor in the history of the republic. >> not just louisiana. >> just in general. like in the history of the united states. this guy has served more days as governor than like everybody else except for five people, right? what i like about this, too, is that he's got longevity, creativity, and he brings the family in. right? his wife is a part of these schemes. his son, when he's eventually indicted, son, 18. thinking of the kids. his wife, part of this scam called koreagate, one of the early gates, where they take money from some rice businessmen on behalf of the korean government. this is really a big story. later in the -- >> he totally survived that. >> nothing happens.
>> he gets convicted. >> the government is super moralistic for looking into it. in the '80s he rides a mule to the federal courthouse. >> who doesn't ride mules. >> symbolic gesture. mistrial. then acquittal. >> just so we're clear here. the evidence is pretty persuasive. mistrial with one jury, acquittal with the second jury. >> later turned out he said, i was acquitted by a jury of my peers. >> he runs against david duke. so then he loses after that, right? >> right. >> and then he makes his comeback. he gets very lucky. people are saying, everyone knows you're a crook. even for louisiana, you can't possibly win again. >> and he gets blessed to run against david. and he can run and say, for the lizard, not the wizard. he eventually -- cleo fields gets indicted after being
spotted on a videotape taking $20,000 in cash and stuffing it in his pocket from governor edwards. that is the end of the career. >> tara? >> i have to go with michael grimm. now, he had 20 counts. not 17, but 20 counts. and he ticks off all the boxes. we have him funneling campaign money. >> let's be clear, all the illegal funneling of things for people around him, that he was not indicted for, that didn't have anything to do with the counts he was actually facing. >> that's initially what the investigation was about. as they peeled back the layers of that onion, it really started to stink. so what we had here is we have the illegal funneling of campaign contributions to a corrupt guy from pornographers. you go even deeper. this is a given, tax evasion. >> hundreds of thousands of dollars, tax evasion for the
business he's running in manhattan. >> paying undocumented workers under the table in cash. remember, that's against the republican party, lying to federal investigators. here's the kicker, this guy's a former lawyer and former fbi agent. >> and here's the thing about it. he doesn't eke out a victory. he wins -- he crushes his opponent. i have to say, because none of you said it, marion barry has to figure in this. he's infamous, synonymous with political humiliation, smoking crack with a sex worker, a famous proclamation by him about how he was set up. basically runs not from prison, but pretty close, like he's out for a few weeks, when he runs for city council, wins going away. elected mayor of d.c. again. people at his obituary, basically people said he's mayor for life. all of this is a lesson. people are complicated. what people will forgive and what they will not forgive, is complicated.
it's a good reminder of that. tara, brian, sam, thank you all. >> thank you. that is all for this evening. rachel maddow show starts now. >> i wish i was on it. buddy is the all-time best piece of political advice, be careful because the toes you're stepping on today may be connected to the rear end you have to kiss tomorrow. best political advice i've ever heard. thank you for that. thank you at home for staying with us for the next hour. rachel has the night off. there's a lot of news we need to get to tonight. breaking news at this hour, about the fbi busting an alleged plot to attack the u.s. capitol. we learned late today about what appears to have been a small-scale nearly lone wolf plot to set off pipe bombs around the u.s. capitol building in washington, and to shoot at members of congress and congressional staffers. according to